Hi CSW,
I've been a longtime fan of Daniel Collin's "Book of War" Mass Combat rules. At a 10:1 scale, it is quick, easy to learn, fun to play and very open to integration with D&D as it is "statistically representative" of the core D&D rules and approach.
One of the things I've wanted to do in my existing D&D RPG campaign is provide games at all levels, whether 1:1 dungeon, 10:1 skirmish or assaults and even bigger, like on an abstract HOTT or OHWG level. The problem was how to move PCs from D&D into the bigger scale, without losing the fidelity on their skills or inflating their effect to unrealistic proportions at the larger scale.
With Book of War, I found the path and I've just finished using a houserule supplement to have the player adventurers from Enonia soundly defeat the Orcs at the Battle of The Three (The battle for the Fort). @PatrickWR probably remembers the old Dalewoods Wayfarer's Inn - the Orcs had turned it into a fort to serve as a beachhead on an assault against Enonia. Not anymore!
The whole thing worked really well and I wanted to share this with you guys in case you ever had need to do something like this. I know you use an existing ruleset, SBH, I believe? But in case you wanted to mix D&D with mass combat, here you go...
Delta's Book of War
My Supplement - The Fellowship
Blog post on the battle mixing the two scales in the same session
Book of War Skirmish Rules and seamless D&D RPG play
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Re: Book of War Skirmish Rules and seamless D&D RPG play
The D&D (maybe expert?) rules had some sort of system for mass battles, didn't they? I never used them, but how do they compare to Book of War?
It has been quite some time since I played D&D with any consistency, but I would be open to a game, given available time.
It has been quite some time since I played D&D with any consistency, but I would be open to a game, given available time.
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Re: Book of War Skirmish Rules and seamless D&D RPG play
During AD&D 1st Edition TSR released a mass combat system called Battle System. It came with a million counters and 2 whole miniatures. If I remember correctly there were rules for assigning how many of each monster each counter represented. It was a pretty weird system compared to what I'm used to today but it was meant to allow for accurate representation to carry out large skirmishes up to massed battles between nations.
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Re: Book of War Skirmish Rules and seamless D&D RPG play
I guess I missed this first time around. Interesting stuff you discovered and come up with. I don't RPG myself, but I skimmed through your post and it looks like you've found a good solution to your game integration.
It looks like you put about 8-12 minis per side onto the table, yes? That's pretty close to a standard Song of Blades and Heroes game. Of course SBH doesn't seamlessly blend with D&D. However, SBH does have it's own sister game "Tale of Blades and Heroes".
http://www.ganeshagames.net/product_inf ... ucts_id=23
I don't own TBH, but from what I understand it's easy to take characters from the 1-fig(PC)-per-player encounters of TBH into the 8-14 fig-per-player battles of SBH.
It looks like you put about 8-12 minis per side onto the table, yes? That's pretty close to a standard Song of Blades and Heroes game. Of course SBH doesn't seamlessly blend with D&D. However, SBH does have it's own sister game "Tale of Blades and Heroes".
http://www.ganeshagames.net/product_inf ... ucts_id=23
I don't own TBH, but from what I understand it's easy to take characters from the 1-fig(PC)-per-player encounters of TBH into the 8-14 fig-per-player battles of SBH.
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